Crown / Bowater Lands
Posted 18 January 2013 - 02:43 PM
Posted 18 January 2013 - 07:54 PM
Posted 19 January 2013 - 12:25 AM
Posted 19 January 2013 - 06:28 AM
Posted 19 January 2013 - 07:49 AM
Posted 19 January 2013 - 08:48 AM
And we wonder why farmers dont want us on their land?
Different rant in a different thread. Hope the gates stay shut.
Posted 19 January 2013 - 09:21 AM
Posted 19 January 2013 - 09:39 AM
For clarity. the Old Bowater properties, which now are crown, had their gates open from last May onward. This at least in the Ingram Port area. All vehicles, other the OHV's had permission to enter and go where they pleased. This included active cutting areas. The ATV issue with Bowater was a personal issue that the CEO at the time pursued, I had many many conversations with Bowater through the last 5-6 years and this was mentioned numerous times. I got quite an insight from those that i spoke with. As well the lands were not off limits to all ATVers, it was open to some groups, who used the trail fee registration part of all our registrations to fix/maintain trails on these same land we were not allowed to enter.
This from the mouths of Bowater representatives in Liverpool.
No matter, that now is crown land paid for and owned by the tax payers of this province, you and me.
Posted 19 January 2013 - 10:40 AM
So I don't know who you are talking to in the Liverpool area, but they are not the same guys I know and I have lived here my whole life.....
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Posted 19 January 2013 - 01:06 PM
I can only tell you what the Company told me, over and over. The reasons, FYI, that were presented to me by them had nothing to do with damage, theft or vandalism. It had everything to do with safety Regarding the trucks meeting ATVs on the roads. However after they open the gates there, that reasoning sort of dissipated.
Still matters not..it is now crown land that you and me paid for.
Most everyone in the province that had any connection to anyone in Bowater had a key to these gates, most Government departments, including DOE also had keys. Bowater land essentially became private domains for some folks who were connected, this even though the tax payers supported Bowater for decades. Not sure why you appear to hate ATVs when you own one. It is not the machine, but rather the person, that is non responsibile when damage occurs.. Sort of like gun control, guns do not kill anyone, people do. Blaming guns for a shooting for example is no different then blaming ATVs for issues.Take care of the individuals doing damage and not the ATV industry as a whole.
To that end, this is a conversation of non importance. Bowater is gone, not a tear shed by this outdoors guy, this land now belongs to the taxpayers of NS.
Posted 20 January 2013 - 11:54 AM
Posted 20 January 2013 - 12:39 PM
A poachers paradise...
Gates should be left up and locked! I know not everyone is painted with the same brush, but we ALL know what sort of free for all it would be if the gates were slung open...
Posted 20 January 2013 - 12:40 PM
Posted 20 January 2013 - 01:53 PM
Posted 20 January 2013 - 04:44 PM
My whole family has also been travelling and hunting those woods for DECADES, how did they get in? How did your 83 year old dad get in? Paddled and walked...
2 years ago i rowed my 90 yr old grandfather into big dam lake in kedgi from thomas meadow... anyone who knows that turf knows how long a tour it is...its possible but not easy
How have they not has access to medway GB?? Get out and do it the old fashion way, paddle, walk...= Access....I can gear ya up with a map if ya want
No its not as simple as former bowater employees who get to drive in their whereever they want.... i understand that.. but if they gates get opened say goodbye to the LITTLE piece of wilderness we have left...
Keep your eyes in the mail, just got a questionaire last week about a "community forest".. everyone will wanna slice of that pie
Posted 20 January 2013 - 10:29 PM
It is after all now THEIR responsibility.
Posted 21 January 2013 - 04:47 AM
I wouldn't count on it. I stopped into their office twice in Windsor to report illegal hunting this past deer season and neither time could the conservation officer have time to call me back.
DNR is gonna have to employ a few more people to monitor these roads/areas is all.
It is after all now THEIR responsibility.
Posted 21 January 2013 - 07:50 AM
Posted 21 January 2013 - 08:03 AM
Posted 21 January 2013 - 08:16 AM
The gates at this particular area were opened last May for the summer/fall period, to the best of my knowledge this was a first. Open to all forms of traffic, with the exception of OHV's.
There also have been hundreds of vehicles in here for many many years. If you had a key you had access, nothing to see a dozen vehicles back there on a weekend day in summer/fall time, this with gates closed on the main entrance. There was a bit of a joke in my neck of the woods regarding DNR back there, some referred to DNR in a couple of offices as being Bowater's private security force.
Now that this becomes "Crown" land there should be no difference, DNR should still patrol, one can assume, just as they do on all other Crown land . As "Crown" land , it is no longer "Private" land and now belongs to all of us taxpayers of the province. Again, only assuming, unless it becomes a designated area, example, a wilderness protected area, it should be no different then any other Crown land area, where we all have access, including OHV's
The area I am familiar with has been cut to death, riddled with hundreds of miles of woods roads and thousands of hecters of cutovers full on rutts and carnage that the forest industry left. Not much in there left that could be classed as a "Special Area", however maybe in other areas this may not be the case and there are spots untouched?
Time will tell however.
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